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The Skerrit wrote:

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I love ITBS - The only West Ham site in the world where the subject of a thread is only identifiable by its dental records after four or five pages.

Barking was a magical place when I was a kid. Going back thirty years, my Auntie had the very top flat in Enterprise House, just off Curzon Crescent. The lift only went up eight floors, you had to walk up to her flat which was on the ninth. My Dad would take me to West Ham and we'd park there and get the tube in. You could see the Thames Flood Barrier being built from her kitchen window and Docklands being re-developed from the Balcony. The High Street had a shop called 'Simons' that sold everything and you could play football in the local park safely.

Even thirty years ago, Barking had more black and asian faces than Harlow did, but I went back recently and the place is an absolute fucking shit-hole. Every third shop a takeaway, it looks like a complete dump. Litter everywhere and feral gangs roaming around and causing trouble.

That's little to do with immigration, but a lot to do with under-investment and poverty. I couldn't give a fuck what colour, creed, race or religion people are, as long as they have a bit of respect for their surroundings.

People these days don't seem to care much about it any more....

Bold is spot on.

The trouble is people who have no stake in this country. The white underclass (who feel like second class citizens behind immigrants, usually unfairly), and transient populations (students, immigrants who plan on going home - as opposed to immigrants who want to make the UK their home who do care).

You have to address poverty to give people a stake, and you have to engage in training and education to minimize the ridiculous situation whereby you have huge numbers of immigrants doing shit jobs, while lazy english scumbags smoke fags and booze all day on benefits. You need swathes of social workers to deal with the families where the kids do not give a shit and the parents care even less.

But also you need an open and honest debate about who we want in this country and why and how many - the BNP benefit from the main parties refusing to discuss the issues. And you need to address the concerns of white english people in places like Barking who cannot just be completely ignored if you want a civilised country where people don't vote BNP. Immigration is not new, mass immigration isn't new, but I fail to believe that there are many periods of history where areas have changed so rapidly (language, shops, attitudes of populations). I genuinely believe that racial tolerance and multi-culturalism are two of the most 'english' things about this country. Two of the best things, and things that we should be most proud of. But that does not mean to say I'd be happy sending my kids to a school like where my fiance teaches in stratford. In her class a handful of kids have english as a first language, most do not speak english at home, few have two parents (those who do mainly being asian families with whole religious / cultural shit going on that makes being brought up by a single drug addict mother look like a walk in the park), and believe it or not the only child who can be described as 'white english' lives on a traveller site. Literally there is not a single white english child who lives in a flat or house in the entiure class. There is a tipping point where immigrants cannot integrate because they have no fucking brits to integrate with!
This is not good!

Perhaps most importantly we need a constitution that spells out rights and responsibilities, whereby tolerance, freedom of speech, social democracy, justice etc etc are enshrined into every aspect of this society to ensure that we can tell people to get lost if they do not fight for what our grandfathers fought for. It is a wonder this country isn't 75% nazi given the people who delight in using our rights to tell us how wrong we are.