I'm with Doomhunk, ignoring the £25m fee and his £100k a week wages I reckon we are pretty much at the front of the queue.
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Posts: 1111 (25/06/09 18:06:31) Webcam Voyeur |
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Posts: 59 (25/06/09 19:21:58) |
Got this from a journalist on another site this afternoon:
Pulis rang West Ham a month ago to ask about Ashton...he was told about his £50,000-a-week wages and informed that he wouldn't even be fit for the start of the new season...Hammers also said that they wanted to keep him as he was 'really a £10 million plus striker.' For some reason the story has surfaced this week...I know who leaked it and it is rather odd to say the least. Coates confirmed the call by Pulis, but it is a dead duck. Has been for a month. God knows if it is true but I suspect that it is. The underlined part is interesting. I want us to keep him as I have a feeling he is going to come good and would be most upset if that happened at another club. |
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Posts: 1721 (25/06/09 19:28:21) Cunt-Spack
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We can't afford anyone anywhere near as good as Ashton in the current market.
Letting him go for £10 million-ish may make sense ... but does anyone seriously think any club is going to part with that kind of money with the injury history until he has played half a season without problems ? Keep him, if he had been fit instead of Cole last year Zola's first 3 months would have looked a LOT better ... worth a good 9 points I reckon he would have been. |
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Posts: 493 (25/06/09 19:39:09) |
We've invested too much just to cut and run. As I said earlier we should reassess at Xmas.
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Posts: 7107 (25/06/09 19:42:05) out-funnied by Big C
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We can't afford anyone anywhere near as good in the current market as good as Ashton ???
Errrm I think we can... Carlton Cole cost about £4 and scored 11 goals. Beattie *ptooey* scored about 8 goals etc etc etc etc. Ashton is fuck all good to us if he can't play 25 games, which he has proven he can't. Laters Ashton. If I was Zola and had decisions to make on who was in my squad for the season I'd rather Tristan stayed on the books. |
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One McAvennie |
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Posts: 1723 (25/06/09 19:58:04) Cunt-Spack
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I posted something about CC scoring 15 in a season and got slaughtered last autumn - Doesn't look so far fetched now does it ? Trust me DA would have put
away at least half a dozen CC missed up to Xmas last year. And that is not a Hack style exaggeration.
Any fee we got will be based on app's anyway, I can't possibly see he will go anywhere. |
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Posts: 8438 (25/06/09 21:33:14)
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CC will never ever (EVER) score 15 in a season for West Ham. Ever.
If we are to rely on him as our target man, we'll need at least two high-scoring forward players to feed off him or we're in trouble again. Personally, I see no point in trying to offload Ashton now. We won't get any serious money for him because of his injuries so we might as well see if he can do the biz for us... |
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Posts: 1112 (25/06/09 21:43:51) Webcam Voyeur |
I think I would take £5m if someone was fool enough to offer it, its one disappointment after another with him. I haven't got anything against him, he
seems to be hardworking in his rehab but the stats some people have put on here with appearances are scary.
There is always someone desperate enough to pay for injured players, look what we threw at the Dyer transfer. |
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Posts: 649 (25/06/09 21:45:11) Can't Recognise A Footballer |
I wouldn't bet that CC will ever score 15 for us, but I wouldn't bet against it.
Ashton is worth little to anyone else and potentially a lot to us, so keep him. As for strikers, we need a decent plan B. Plan A is sorted, CC or DA with any one of LBM, Savio, Dyer, Jiminez off him. Even Noble or Collison at a push. But plan B, involving two out and out strikers, one of which must be an out and out goalscorer, is a must. Trick Owen into thinking he'll start every week and sign him on a pay as you play and start him about 1 in 3, mainly at home. I know I'll get cunted off but I still reckon we could do worse than re-sign Zamora as a 4th choice striker. |
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Lake Palmer aka Monk |
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Posts: 7109 (25/06/09 22:27:26) out-funnied by Big C
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But as has mentioned. Zola wants a squad of 22 and he will have a certain budget to play with. Ashton is just a luxury in a first team squad of 22 and a waste
of budget.. You already have Dyer and Parker who are unreliable. I would be ditching Ashton and getting someone with some kind of fitness record.
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Posts: 529 (25/06/09 22:36:58) Screamer |
Classing Dyer and Parker in the same breath is a tad harsh on Parker, who started (yes I looked it up) 28 times last season.
Ashton is a luxury only if he hasn't recovered properly. The suggestion is that he's coming back fit and raring to go. I'll be looking ot get him in my fantasy league team at a snip, cos I think many will think like you that he's just an injury prone luxury. I think he has a good chance of coming back and regaining his reputation as a skilful goalscoring centre forward. Usually I think you talk sense Monk, and usually amusing sense (or even amusing nonsense), but this time it's just nonsense. |
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Posts: 8439 (26/06/09 00:09:12)
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"I wouldn't bet that CC will ever score 15 for us, but I wouldn't bet against it."
Oi Father Fred, have you got splinters sitting on that fence?... |
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One McAvennie |
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Posts: 1726 (26/06/09 00:09:27) Cunt-Spack
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I think Cole would have had 15 this season without his injury, and despite being hopeless in front of goal up till about Xmas.
Ashton would put away more, but Cole is a different player to the one at the start of last season. Some players do actually improve as they get older and develop ... too many people expect the complete article by the age of 21 or so. |
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Lake Palmer aka Monk |
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Posts: 7110 (26/06/09 07:24:09) out-funnied by Big C
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OBE... but I'm not talking nonense, your the one who is guessing that he is 'fit and raring to go', I'm looking at the facts of his career to
date. Why would anyone believe that he is going to come back fitter than ever...its almost a physical impossibility.
Ok some people maybe privvy to inside info but its a long shot to trust that info isn't it? I mean last time he came back he couldn't even run probably, ankle's knees tendons ligaments, the damage his body has taken is immense. There is of a course a chance he could be fit, I hope for him that he is but the odds aren't great are they. As I say I'd be looking to spend his weekly wages on someone who may well be of lesser ability but will play for at least 25 games. |
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Posts: 1729 (26/06/09 08:16:02) Cunt-Spack
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I'd rather pay to see a 75% Ashton than a 100% Zamora ... Ashton would still score more.
If ... and it's a big if ... he gets fit this season his value would double, more than covering his wages but more importantly giving us as good a forward as there is in this country. If he doesn't it'll be an insurance payout more than likely. My only worry is without him we only have CC who can do the same job, Maybe this Dixon kid can come good but we shouldn't be planning our season around that. |
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Posts: 535 (26/06/09 08:16:48)
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"If I was Zola and had decisions to make on who was in my squad for the season I'd rather Tristan stayed on the books."
That medicines a bit strong Monk! |
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Posts: 5733 (26/06/09 08:38:15)
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"As I say I'd be looking to spend his weekly wages on someone who may well be of lesser ability but will play for at least 25 games. "
You just described DDM. |
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Lake Palmer aka Monk |
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Posts: 7111 (26/06/09 10:05:37) out-funnied by Big C
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Yep DDM and Tristan are examples and both are poor but still were more effective than Ashton last year.
I suppose we have to believe what the physio team say...if they think Ashton can regain full fitness and maintain it then we keep him...if they are doubts then we flog him. |
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Posts: 7294 (26/06/09 13:33:47) My toilet, my rules |
Monkleton - their goals to games ratio would suggest not
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Posts: 5625 (26/06/09 13:49:01)
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Lake Palmer aka Monk wrote:One of my issues with Ashton is that I think I have never seen him, 'raring to go'. He is ALWAYS injured, or nursing an injury or in some way shirking in an injury related manner. |
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