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HammerHeadShark wrote:"0 goals conceded in two games bar a 5 minute spell where we conceded two" Allardyce will love you Fred, you'll fit right in.
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Aug 3 14 6:31 PM
Father Fred wrote:Obviously the criticism is in part valid, but FFS. Pre-season game. 0 goals conceded in two games bar a 5 minute spell where we conceded two, at least one of which was a bit unlucky. Young players in the side. Esp. defence when we conceded two (two new signings and a kid is hardly our fist choice back 4 as it will be a few games in). To my mind we need to try other players in the hole, incl Zarate (but not necessarily away at the big boys). We need to get men forward better both wide and from CM. But, again, our three best strikers are a new guy, a new guy who hasn't even trained with us yet as far as a I know and a guy injured... you'd like to think that we'd look better going forward in a week / two / three. Allardyce should not have been told to play more attacking football. He should have been told to progress (which means maintaining a decent defence whilst improving going forward.) We all know it. He knows it. I'm not ready to give up on him yet.
So, the criticism (which didn't come from me - I simply asked a perfectly reasonable, non-critical, entirely rhetorical question) is at least 'in part valid', and we don't let any goals in. Except when we do.
You agree we need to change the way we play, attempting to outline how we should do so.
And conclude by saying our manager 'should not have been told to play more attacking football' but should actually have been told to 'progress' which you equate to maintaining a decent defence but 'improve going forward'. The degree of semantics being deployed is remarkable...
We've shared 4 recent warm-up opponents with Newcastle; we've lost three and had one nil-nil, scoring twice and conceding eight. Newcastle have won three out of those four, scoring nine and conceding four.
Looking forward to your response that we draw games, except when we lose them and that Newcastle can't score for fucking toffee, except when they do...
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Aug 3 14 6:57 PM
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Aug 3 14 7:39 PM
Lake Palmer aka Monk wrote:Watched today's game and some of yesterday and no doubt, no question it was shit. But it honestly means nothing.
Aug 3 14 8:00 PM
Lake Palmer aka Monk wrote:Watched today's game and some of yesterday and no doubt, no question it was shit. But it honestly means nothing. First team just getting the right amount of minutes in and getting rid of any rustiness and that is it.
By and large I'd agree - but I'd suggest that the four shared opponents mean ever-so-slightly more than nothing to the Newcastle fans. Especially the travelling ones. Whilst the optimistic Hammers who travelled will be returning home saying exactly what you typed.
Had we won three of four, scoring nine conceding four (as opposed to losing three and getting a nil-nil, scoring twice conceding eight), then, I'd suggest, the intangible, ephemeral, 'mood' would be different - and beneficially so.
And one rather suspects that that is the case at Newcastle - it's not a massive stretch of the imagination to see their travelling fans returning home and telling their buddies that no matter how they perceive their own problems they'll be fine in the Premier League this year 'cos they're nowhere near as bad as West Ham.
Never mind though - all this irrelevant 'fitness work' (if that's essentially all it is) will be forgotten with a cracking performance on the first day of the season, ideally three points and all the nerves will be settled and all the murmurs quietened...
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Aug 3 14 9:11 PM
Lake Palmer aka Monk wrote:... BUT the biggest thing that undermines all that is Cole leading the attack.
Or is it that Cole's position IS the attack. The beginning of it, the middle of it and the end of it.
Swap Cole out and put in Valencia or Carroll or Benteke or Lukaku or Ian Rush or Ferenc fucking Puskas - if you don't get your supporting players actually supporting it's not going to make any substantial difference.
Surely the biggest thing that actually undermines it all is not attacking as a team unit in the same way we defend as a team unit (whilst remaining prone to the individual errors which are obviously the ONLY reason we ever concede...).
90 minutes of meaningless fitness work left - who's it against - not that it matters if it means nothing of course - Sampdoria? I'll keep an eye on it whilst not getting too excited one way or the other for sure...
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